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Summary Notes

Summary of Neighborhood Workshop for Seagate Investments, LLC

Held on November 7, 2016


On November 7, 2016 at 6:02 pm Bo Medred of Genesis Planning and Development, Inc. called the neighborhood workshop meeting held at the Holiday Inn Express Conference Room located at 5730 Gantt Road in Sarasota to order.  With Bo were his client, Donald McDonald of Accent Construction along with Adriana Trujillo of Sarasota County Planning Services.  Bo introduced Adriana to the 10 residents in attendance at the workshop.  Adriana then addressed the residents and explained that the application had not yet been filed yet and then further explained the rezone application review process. 


Bo then reintroduced himself and Donald McDonald again.  A question was asked whether a copy of the summary of the workshop would be sent to the residents in attendance.  Bo said he would do that it with the condition that the email address written on the sign in sheet was legible, as it was difficult if the email address was not legible.  Bo said he would also include a copy of the Concept Plan.


Bo then explained the location of the property on Honore Avenue and the fact that eastern portion of the property had been recently used as a dog kennel.  Bo identified the Ashwood subdivision to the north.  Bo explained that the western portion of the 14 acres site had previously been rezoned as part of the Colony Lake subdivision to the west.  However, the eastern 8 acres was split off from Colony Lake and Colony Lake was platted without the 8 acres.  It was verified that no density or open space from the 8 acres was used in the Colony Lake plat.   The applicant, Seagate Investments, LLC was combining this westerly 8 acres + with an additional 6 acres + to the east for a total of 14.48 acres.  Lot sizes were planned to be a combination of lots that were 54’ x 120’ to 64’ x 120’ in size.   Bo then said he looked at the surrounding neighborhoods lot sizes and found that the  Ashwood subdivision to the north were 60’ x 100’ or 6000 sq ft in size and Colony Lake lots were 42’ x 105’/110’.   In comparison, the lots being proposed were slightly larger than the neighboring subdivisions.  Bo explained the site was presently zoned OUE-1 and RSF-3 with stips and the application would be requesting RSF-3 with amended stips for the entire site.   Bo explained that at this time, no significant modifications to the existing lake were being proposed.  It would be a gated community.  The site was designated Moderated Density Residential on the Future Land Use Plan map and the density being requested was consistent with that designation.   Bo then asked who was from Ashwood subdivision and 3 people raised their hands.  There were 3 residents who identified themselves as being from Colony Lake and one mentioned they were from Luna Bay. 


Victor Lippa, who identified himself as owning a house in Luna Bay and another residence further north, expressed concern about Neal Communities request for a variance to the maximum lot coverage for his development on Honore Avenue.  Mr. Lippa said that he went to the BZA hearing because Neal wanted to exceed the 35% lot coverage of RSF conventional subdivisions per the Zoning Ordinance.  Mr. Lippa said he thought it was important to not exceed the 35% lot coverage that was characteristic of the neighborhood.   Mr. Lippa said he was also concerned about the fact that Neal took down all of the oaks trees on the Neal property and he did not want the same thing being done on this property.  Bo then explained that the subject parcel was using the Cluster Housing concept which requires 30% open space and the Neal community did not develop as Cluster Housing or provide open space, which was the reason the Neal community was having an issue with lot coverage.  Bo explained that when you go Cluster Housing you do not have a maximum lot coverage because you are providing at least 30% open space as a trade off to compensate for no restriction on lot coverage.  Bo explained that with the existing lake onsite, the subject parcel would actually have close to 50% open space.   Mr. Lippa wanted to know the lot coverage of the other projects in the area.  There was a question and discussion about maximum lot coverage.  Mr. Lippa asked what the maximum lot coverage on the Seagate property was going to be.  Bo explained that the project being rezoned was different because cluster housing was being proposed with no maximum lot coverage requirements and the Neal community was straight RSF zoning that required a maximum 35% lot coverage.  Mr. Lippa asked Bo what the maximum lot coverage was going to be.  Bo answered that he did not know and it was not something that was not typically discussed during the rezone process.  Mr. Lippa said he would still like to know what the lot coverage would be.  Bo then explained the Concept plan being proposed does not show lot lines to the center of the roadway, like the Neal community showed.   It showed the proposed road as a separate tract for the road and not counted in the lot area for each adjoining lot.


Question:  Why is the lake included in your project?  Response:  Because it is part of the property being developed with the OUE-1 zoned property and the existing lake property has existing stipulations attached to it.  Bo explained that once the property is rezoned and platted, the existing lake on the Seagate site would be set aside as open space on the final plat for 99 years. Bo then explained that he looked at the Colony Lake final plat and it showed its eastern property line going down the middle of the lake.   


A question was asked about what would happen to the existing trees on the south end of the lake?  Bo said he did not know other than a berm would remain between the existing lake and the proposed subdivision stormwater area due to stormwater permitting considerations. 


A Colony Lake resident spoke up and said that the existing lake had three springs in it.  He asked about the creek along the southern property as well saying that it was alive with birds and wildlife.  He said that the lake fluctuates from 6-7 feet and when questioned about that thought perhaps maybe only 3-4 feet.  He was concerned about the 3-7 families of birds nesting in the area.  Bo asked which birds in particular.  He responded that there were ospreys and that he had seen bald eagles in the past as well.  The resident insisted that the area was ecologically alive and what was going to happen when the new houses were built?  Were three new schools going to be required?  Bo explained that the School Board would do an analysis  to determine the impacts of the additional 29 residences.


The man also said there were three different species of turtles in the lake.  Mr. Lippa said he also observes wildlife that use the stormwater pond on the SE corner of Proctor Road and Honore Avenue.  Mr. Lippa asked if the trees on the berm on the south end of the lake were going to be preserved.   A lady asked if the the new residents were going to have access to the lake and if there were going to be lots of little boats on the lake?   Bo said that since the lake will be part of the HOA the residents will have the right to access their portion of the lake.  The resident then asked, “How?”  Bo said he really didn’t know exactly which lot the residents would use to get to the lake but that would be entitled to access it, more than likely near the eastern end of the proposed pond.


The Colony Lake resident asked if anyone had done an Environmental Impact study on the site.  Bo explained that Michele Steinbaum would be preparing the Environmental Narrative and listed species report to be submitted with the rezone.  The resident said he would like to see that report.


The resident said he has seen at least 7 different species of fish in the lake and what will the impact of the development be on them?   Bo explained that there will be very little impact, if any, to the existing lake.  Bo explained that he thought the area on the south end of the lake contained a lot of exotic species and that those may need to be removed at some point.  Mr. Lippa asked if removed, what would they be replaced by?  Bo said he did not think there was a plan to replace the exotics with anything at this point. 


Mr. Lippa stated that at times it can take a half hour to get from Clark Road to Ashton Road on Honore Avenue, and he asked what was going to be done about that?  Bo explained that the County would do a traffic analysis to determine the impact on the adjacent roadway system.  Bo said part of the issue is the County has failed to fund the improvements to widen Honore Avenue to 4 lanes in this area.   Bo noted at the DRC preapp meeting that Transportation staff noted that a roundabout was being proposed at the Ashton Road/Honore Avenue intersection.  Mr. Lippa discussed the problems at University Parkway and the lack of planning there and one of his major concerns was the impact on traffic in the area.


Question:  How long was it going to take to develop the site?  Bo then explained the permitting and construction process and Bo figured around 24 months before the first resident occupied a house on the site.   There was a discussion by a resident about the County’s acquisition of R/W in the area and the traffic patterns in the area.   Bo agreed that Honore Avenue needed to be widened to four lanes but it was a funding issue.  Mr. Lippa did a property tax computation and he said there should be more than enough money to build Honore Avenue from the revenue generated from the 29 new homes being proposed.   Mr. Lippa said that traffic is a concern in the area.   There was a discussion about the lack of widening of Honore Avenue from north to south and the impact that it puts on the Interstate and other roadways in the area. 


There was a concern hydraulically over 29 houses and the amount of stormwater being proposed.  It was asked if there was a study done in this area for drainage.  Bo then explained that a registered PE had done the project layout and that the drainage review is one of the most stringent and detailed reviews done during the permit approval process.  Bo further stated that if the Engineer cannot justify the size of the proposed pond, then it would require that areas shown with lots would have to be converted to stormwater.  Mr. Lippa discussed an unrelated stormwater issue on one of his properties on the SE corner of Proctor Road and Honore Avenue.


It was asked when Ashwood and Colony Lakes were platted.  Bo explained that the plats show they were platted in 1997.   There was discussion about drainage patterns in the area and some issues along Ashton Road with drainage in areas that were platted and built back in the 1975 era when drainage was handled differently.  Bo explained the difference in requirements of drainage design and modeling that is required today.  Bo explained that the new drainage development standards do not allow any impacts upstream of downstream of the site.


Bo then mentioned that Berger Street was planned to connect Honore to McIntosh along the south property line.  30’ was being set aside on the DCP for future use for Berger Street. 


The Colony Lakes resident identified himself as a biologist and he stated he had concerns over drainage ditches in the area which were alive with different species.


Mr. Lippa said the purpose of the meeting was to address the concerns of the neighborhood.   He said there were four concerns raised by folks and discussed and they included:  1) Traffic on Honore and the need to widen it, 2) the ecological impact on wildlife in the area, 3) drainage issues in the area, 4) maximum lot coverage even if cluster housing was used.    Bo explained again that cluster housing did not have a maximum lot coverage.  Bo explained that he thought the maximum lot coverage in Colony Lake exceeded 35% and was closer to 50% lot coverage.   The lots in Colony Lakes were platted from 4800 ft2 to 5500 ft2 in size. 


A resident in Ashwood said that the residents that back up the existing lake had been using and maintaining the land along the eastern shore that was not theirs and asked and what would happen to that area after development of the site.  They would buy it if they could.  He then asked would there be access to it by the new HOA.  Will it be fenced in?  Bo said he did not know but he would check into and get back with them on what the plans would be for that area.   Bo said he would call the Ashwood resident if he identified himself on the sign in sheet, and let him know. 


A resident asked if it would be beneficial to get a petition going to get Honore Avenue widened.  Bo said any efforts in that direction would be recognized by the County officials.   There was general discussion about transportation issues and planning in the area and access from the site to Honore Avenue.


After general discussion about rezone process the meeting adjourned at approximately 7 pm.